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Pinned topic RAD 8.5 development for WAS 6.1 ?

‏2013-03-07T20:07:17Z |
We are looking at setting up some new development workstations with an upgraded IDE, but we must still support and work with WAS 6.1 (+WSFP). RAD 8.5 in theory continues to support WAS 6.1, but the integrated test server is no longer provided, which is a requirement for us.

Is there some good way to get around this and develop with RAD 8.5 for WAS 6.1? Or should we just look at RAD 8.0 as the most current option for WAS 6.1 development? (RAD 8.0 still provides a WAS 6.1 test server.)
Updated on 2013-03-15T14:18:58Z at 2013-03-15T14:18:58Z by SystemAdmin
  • browe
    browe
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    Re: RAD 8.5 development for WAS 6.1 ?

    ‏2013-03-07T21:13:57Z  
    Hi,
    This location in the information center will guide you on how to set up a local 6.1 WebSphere Application Server

    Developing > Testing and publishing on a server > Creating, editing, and deleting servers > Creating a server > Creating a WebSphere Application Server

    http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/radhelp/v8r5/index.jsp?topic=%2Fcom.ibm.servertools.doc%2Ftopics%2Ftwcrtins.html
  • SystemAdmin
    SystemAdmin
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    Re: RAD 8.5 development for WAS 6.1 ?

    ‏2013-03-08T01:02:11Z  
    • browe
    • ‏2013-03-07T21:13:57Z
    Hi,
    This location in the information center will guide you on how to set up a local 6.1 WebSphere Application Server

    Developing > Testing and publishing on a server > Creating, editing, and deleting servers > Creating a server > Creating a WebSphere Application Server

    http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/radhelp/v8r5/index.jsp?topic=%2Fcom.ibm.servertools.doc%2Ftopics%2Ftwcrtins.html
    Yeah, that's how you define a server in the IDE, but that doesn't have anything to do with getting the runtime installed in the first place.
  • OrlandoRincon
    OrlandoRincon
    7 Posts

    Re: RAD 8.5 development for WAS 6.1 ?

    ‏2013-03-08T22:33:25Z  
    Hello BRL:

    Are you looking for a "test server" to confirm your applications properly compile at develop-time without an actual local server intalled?

    If so, what you need is the WAS 6.1 development tools + the remote server stub. RAD 8.5 installation contains these, but they are just not selected by default.

    When running your installation (through Installation Manager), there will be a menu called "Server Tools", and under that there is a "WebSphere Application Server 6.1" sub-menu, with Development Tools and Remote server stub under it. Select both options and you will now be able to create projects targeted to WAS 6.1 (stub), even if you don't have the server locally installed.
    You can still test this applications by deploying to a remote server, using the documentation that browe pointed out.

    Hope this helps.
  • SystemAdmin
    SystemAdmin
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    Re: RAD 8.5 development for WAS 6.1 ?

    ‏2013-03-14T05:11:46Z  
    Hello BRL:

    Are you looking for a "test server" to confirm your applications properly compile at develop-time without an actual local server intalled?

    If so, what you need is the WAS 6.1 development tools + the remote server stub. RAD 8.5 installation contains these, but they are just not selected by default.

    When running your installation (through Installation Manager), there will be a menu called "Server Tools", and under that there is a "WebSphere Application Server 6.1" sub-menu, with Development Tools and Remote server stub under it. Select both options and you will now be able to create projects targeted to WAS 6.1 (stub), even if you don't have the server locally installed.
    You can still test this applications by deploying to a remote server, using the documentation that browe pointed out.

    Hope this helps.
    No, compiling with the server stub is not the issue. As I said, we need the local test server (as in, a server you can actually start and run tests on locally). This was available in earlier RAD versions for WAS 6.1 (and works great on the older version we have), but isn't listed anymore in RAD 8.5.
  • SystemAdmin
    SystemAdmin
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    Re: RAD 8.5 development for WAS 6.1 ?

    ‏2013-03-14T05:42:38Z  
    Hello BRL:

    Are you looking for a "test server" to confirm your applications properly compile at develop-time without an actual local server intalled?

    If so, what you need is the WAS 6.1 development tools + the remote server stub. RAD 8.5 installation contains these, but they are just not selected by default.

    When running your installation (through Installation Manager), there will be a menu called "Server Tools", and under that there is a "WebSphere Application Server 6.1" sub-menu, with Development Tools and Remote server stub under it. Select both options and you will now be able to create projects targeted to WAS 6.1 (stub), even if you don't have the server locally installed.
    You can still test this applications by deploying to a remote server, using the documentation that browe pointed out.

    Hope this helps.
    The parts list for RAD 8.0.x lists a WAS 6.1 test server, this is what we would need. This is the runtime, not just the compilation stub:

    http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg24027295
    WebSphere Application Server Test Environment 32 bit V6.1.0.41

    The parts list for RAD 8.5 doesn't have this or any WAS 6.1 server version listed.

    http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg24033618

    What does that mean exactly? Is it still an option somehow, but was omitted from this list? Or would we have to choose RAD 8.0 to get a local WAS 6.1 test server? Is there some way to get the WAS 6.1 test server separately and then point RAD 8.5 at it? I'm just trying to understand.
  • SystemAdmin
    SystemAdmin
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    Re: RAD 8.5 development for WAS 6.1 ?

    ‏2013-03-14T14:22:10Z  
    The parts list for RAD 8.0.x lists a WAS 6.1 test server, this is what we would need. This is the runtime, not just the compilation stub:

    http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg24027295
    WebSphere Application Server Test Environment 32 bit V6.1.0.41

    The parts list for RAD 8.5 doesn't have this or any WAS 6.1 server version listed.

    http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg24033618

    What does that mean exactly? Is it still an option somehow, but was omitted from this list? Or would we have to choose RAD 8.0 to get a local WAS 6.1 test server? Is there some way to get the WAS 6.1 test server separately and then point RAD 8.5 at it? I'm just trying to understand.
    If you have a separate license agreement for WAS 6.1, you can install it (locally or remotely) and RAD 8.5 will be able to connect to it, publish to it, etc. RAD 8.5 contains all the server tools required to do this.

    However, RAD 8.5. does not supply WAS 6.1 test environment as a Supporting Program.

    The WAS 6.1 test environment shipped by RAD 8.0 is only licensed for being used in the context of RAD 8.0 development.

    You can see the details in the license agreements:
    RAD 8.0
    http://www-03.ibm.com/software/sla/sladb.nsf/displaylis/543AE579839F28FF852577850047C3DD?OpenDocument
    RAD 8.5
    http://www-03.ibm.com/software/sla/sladb.nsf/displaylis/13C8F82C21D9A58D85257A1E00403E1E?OpenDocument

    Thank you and regards, Lara
  • SystemAdmin
    SystemAdmin
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    Re: RAD 8.5 development for WAS 6.1 ?

    ‏2013-03-14T21:29:43Z  
    If you have a separate license agreement for WAS 6.1, you can install it (locally or remotely) and RAD 8.5 will be able to connect to it, publish to it, etc. RAD 8.5 contains all the server tools required to do this.

    However, RAD 8.5. does not supply WAS 6.1 test environment as a Supporting Program.

    The WAS 6.1 test environment shipped by RAD 8.0 is only licensed for being used in the context of RAD 8.0 development.

    You can see the details in the license agreements:
    RAD 8.0
    http://www-03.ibm.com/software/sla/sladb.nsf/displaylis/543AE579839F28FF852577850047C3DD?OpenDocument
    RAD 8.5
    http://www-03.ibm.com/software/sla/sladb.nsf/displaylis/13C8F82C21D9A58D85257A1E00403E1E?OpenDocument

    Thank you and regards, Lara
    Thanks Lara, that makes sense.

    The licensing documents on their own are still a bit confusing because they don't make a distinction between the stubs and test environments. E.g. from RAD 8.5 document it still says this:

    "4. IBM WebSphere Application Server Test Environment and Stubs 6.1, 7.0, and 8.5"

    (Kind of funny it doesn't list 8.0 too.) The parts list had a similar inconsistency where a tip still talked about 6.1 download even though it's not available. I expect all of that is just errata, and the real answer is what you said.
  • SystemAdmin
    SystemAdmin
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    Re: RAD 8.5 development for WAS 6.1 ?

    ‏2013-03-15T14:18:58Z  
    Thanks Lara, that makes sense.

    The licensing documents on their own are still a bit confusing because they don't make a distinction between the stubs and test environments. E.g. from RAD 8.5 document it still says this:

    "4. IBM WebSphere Application Server Test Environment and Stubs 6.1, 7.0, and 8.5"

    (Kind of funny it doesn't list 8.0 too.) The parts list had a similar inconsistency where a tip still talked about 6.1 download even though it's not available. I expect all of that is just errata, and the real answer is what you said.
    Thank you for your feedback. Indeed, there was an APAR raised for this:

    PM78709 Incorrect Websphere Test Environments listed in the supporting programs section of the license agreement

    http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg1PM78709

    I've just checked the License agreement on my RAD 8.5.1 installation, and unfortunately the defect seems to have been fixed partially: it now lists 8.0 which was missing, but it still includes 6.1:

    4. IBM WebSphere Application Server Test Environment and Stubs 6.1, 7.0, 8.0 and 8.5

    Nonetheless, I believe that the defect text in the link above shows what was the intended packaging.

    Thank you and regards, Lara