I am planning to take up DOORS and DXL as my core profession, can anyone guide by giving following inputs any add-on will be very useful.
what is the expected life time of the DOORS/DXL?
Is there any major changes anticipated in 3 to 5 years, such as eliminating DXL usage, DOORS on new platform or any other tool replacing DOORS?
any info and suggestions on this matter would very helpful for me.
Thanks in advance
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Updated on 2012-12-17T08:02:40Z at 2012-12-17T08:02:40Z by SystemAdmin
Re: DOORS and DXL as a profession2012-03-07T07:49:54ZThis is the accepted answer. This is the accepted answer.Possibly the most disruptive future plans for DOORS to be aware of is that DOORS is undergoing a major change to migrate it over to the IBM Jazz platform. click here to learn more about IBM's "Rational DOORS Next Generation"
On one the web pages for "Rational DOORS Next Generation" there is an interesting statement - "In the first release of Rational DOORS Next Generation, customers will not be able to run scripts written in DXL; we intend to reintroduce this support later"
I don't like that word "later" - might not happen. I recommend that anyone seeing this that they have a good read about "Rational DOORS Next Generation", there is a fair bit of back peddling about migration and other things that were promoted differently not so long ago.
I think it's self evident that DXL will eventually have to go, it's amazing it's lasted this long, and customisations will be done via one of the more contemporary scripting languages such as JAVA, PERL and so on.
Mathias Mamsch 2700025PVX2259 Posts
Re: DOORS and DXL as a profession2012-03-07T11:22:09ZThis is the accepted answer. This is the accepted answer.
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llandale 270001QM9N3035 Posts
Re: DOORS and DXL as a profession2012-03-07T21:45:16ZThis is the accepted answer. This is the accepted answer.One of the DOORS reps here said they cannot do away with DXL since there is so much software written in it. COBOL is still around.
On the other hand, not sure how that weighs up against the reasons DXL must go by the other responders.
On the other-other hand, if we do away with Modules and Objects and Links and History, then I think the end result will be something other than "DOORS". Seems to me IBM bought DOORS because folks like it and it doesn't seem reasonable to me to just can it. If DOORS NextGen doesn't have a look and feel of DOORS v9 then its not really "DOORS"; and if it does have the look and feel then DXL should generally still be suitable.
Re: DOORS and DXL as a profession2012-03-07T22:47:13ZThis is the accepted answer. This is the accepted answer.
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True - one would think that there would be close to a civil riot if IBM attempted to can DXL too early, too much time and tears has been invested in it. It would be like losing and old friend....sniff.
With no clear migration path from DOORS 9.x to DOORS NG, no guarantee of DXL compatibility other than it might happen "later", I hope this is not going to be another DOORS XT for those can remember that product back in the Telelogic days.
Re: DOORS and DXL as a profession2012-03-12T09:26:37ZThis is the accepted answer. This is the accepted answer.Hi,
Thanks guys for the detailed information, I hope IBM will look into these aspect while releasing DOORS NG. As per the replies to this message I understood there is still 5-10 years of life to DOORS v9 and DXL, by then I hope DOORS NG will have DXL support.
BillTidy 270004CD4D32 Posts
Re: DOORS and DXL as a profession2012-12-10T15:38:50ZThis is the accepted answer. This is the accepted answer.
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I doubt whether it will be DXL as we know it but they sure need something at least as powerful or there is no reason for many end-users to go to NG because the major advantage DOORS has/had was DXL capability to tailor DOORS out-of-the-box to suit your business rules (and make admin tasks easier among other things). I would think practically all companies using DOORS have written DXL or downloaded shared scripts from the web - and plenty of them are using A LOT of DXL.
If there is no DXL or DXL-equivalent in DOORS NG then I expect many end users will just move to another cheaper tool when support for DOORS 9.x is ended. The look-and-feel of DOORS NG has already been long implemented in plenty of other tools, so that gives zero advantage (IBM is playing catch-up in that respect). IBM should not forget the need for tailoring and offer some kind of migration path from DXL if "Business Logic" is implemented in another way in DOORS NG, e.g. in Java.
Re: DOORS and DXL as a profession2012-12-15T09:20:38ZThis is the accepted answer. This is the accepted answer.Hello
I'm a relative new user, this is my first post, but I've been reading this Forum of about one year.
I can agree to the others. The great future of doors has happened in the past and the main dxl developement activities is to prepare the "move out" from doors and from dxl to something else.
An example: Some days ago I've messaged a bug to IBM. This was a bug in the doors tool Exchange. They have registered it as a "new feature" and the could not tell me when they plan to implement it. This means: They do not invest anything more than necessary in that product, not even the time to remove errors.
The dxl community is very small and the only reason to stay in the old telelogic doors is the behaviour of customers and suppliers. They are still in doors and so "we" stay in too. But in the actual situation only someone needs to give the starting shoot and one by another moves out.
Re: DOORS and DXL as a profession2012-12-17T08:02:40ZThis is the accepted answer. This is the accepted answer.
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Of course when thinking about the DOORS NG clients, web client for most users and a classic DOORS lool-a-like client for admin users, the usage of DXL will change. Large portion of DXL developed for classic DOORS has been for making standard users life in DOORS easier. In the DOORS NG world they will be using the web client and thus can not run interactive DXL scripts (but maybe layout DXL survives?). So the emphasis in DXL development will be in supporting admin users using the new DOORS NG client.
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