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  • Latest Post - ‏2011-10-20T16:10:00Z by SystemAdmin
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Pinned topic BPM vs Lombardi BPM

‏2011-10-19T20:05:04Z |
Hi,

I have recently taken a training course on Bussiness Modeler and have some queries.

I am just wodering what is the difference between Business Process Management vs Lombardi Business Process Management as given in this link http://www-304.ibm.com/jct03001c/services/learning/ites.wss/gb/en?pageType=page&c=a0004506

Also want to understand the difference between Business Process Manager and Business Modeler as I can understand both of them are used for process modeling.

Thanks for your time!
  • SystemAdmin
    SystemAdmin
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    Re: BPM vs Lombardi BPM

    ‏2011-10-20T02:30:03Z  
    Hi Neil

    "Business Process Management" refers to the other IBM BPM suite that IBM has. "Websphere Dynamic Process Edition" that contains WS Process Server, WS Business Monitor, WID and Websphere Business Modeler.

    "Lombardi Business Process Management" refers to what used to be the Lombardi process automation suite that was bought by IBM. Formerly known as Websphere Lombardi Edition and also Lombardi Teamworks.

    So the problem here was that IBM used to have two BPM suites. But IBM had joined them together into a single one called "IBM Business Process Manager"

    Currently we have several ways to model process with IBM Websphere brand (I'm not counting Rational and Filenet ;) )
    1) IBM Blueworks Live: On the cloud. It can be connected to IBM BPM for automation.
    2) IBM Websphere Business Modeler: Software on premise, installed on a PC and based on eclipse. It can also connect the process to IBM BPM for automation. (but I haven't try it yet)
    3) IBM Process Designer (part of IBM BPM suite and formerly was named of Lombardi Teamworks- Websphere Lombardi edition) It is a eclipse based application that get installed on the PC, but requires the IBM BPM server to store the process in a centralized way.
    4) Websphere Business Compass. It is installed on a server and the process is designed with the web browser. It is similar to Blueworks but it is a different product and it is sold as "software on premise".

    You can read some of my quick articles to see a little bit the difference between each others.
    http://martin.iturbide.com/?page_id=762

    So, I can not tell which one is better for you (for process design) because I don't know exactly what you want to do.

    I personally prefer IBM Websphere Business Modeler for process analysts. I consider it the most complete tool for modeling and process documentation. But Blueworks it is better tool if you need collaboration between a large group. I also like Websphere Compass but I'm not sure about its future since IBM is promoting more the use of Blueworks on the cloud.
    Martín
  • SystemAdmin
    SystemAdmin
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    Re: BPM vs Lombardi BPM

    ‏2011-10-20T14:34:03Z  
    Hi Neil

    "Business Process Management" refers to the other IBM BPM suite that IBM has. "Websphere Dynamic Process Edition" that contains WS Process Server, WS Business Monitor, WID and Websphere Business Modeler.

    "Lombardi Business Process Management" refers to what used to be the Lombardi process automation suite that was bought by IBM. Formerly known as Websphere Lombardi Edition and also Lombardi Teamworks.

    So the problem here was that IBM used to have two BPM suites. But IBM had joined them together into a single one called "IBM Business Process Manager"

    Currently we have several ways to model process with IBM Websphere brand (I'm not counting Rational and Filenet ;) )
    1) IBM Blueworks Live: On the cloud. It can be connected to IBM BPM for automation.
    2) IBM Websphere Business Modeler: Software on premise, installed on a PC and based on eclipse. It can also connect the process to IBM BPM for automation. (but I haven't try it yet)
    3) IBM Process Designer (part of IBM BPM suite and formerly was named of Lombardi Teamworks- Websphere Lombardi edition) It is a eclipse based application that get installed on the PC, but requires the IBM BPM server to store the process in a centralized way.
    4) Websphere Business Compass. It is installed on a server and the process is designed with the web browser. It is similar to Blueworks but it is a different product and it is sold as "software on premise".

    You can read some of my quick articles to see a little bit the difference between each others.
    http://martin.iturbide.com/?page_id=762

    So, I can not tell which one is better for you (for process design) because I don't know exactly what you want to do.

    I personally prefer IBM Websphere Business Modeler for process analysts. I consider it the most complete tool for modeling and process documentation. But Blueworks it is better tool if you need collaboration between a large group. I also like Websphere Compass but I'm not sure about its future since IBM is promoting more the use of Blueworks on the cloud.
    Martín
    Thank you very much for the reply Martin! You blog was very helpful in understnding the differences.

    So I understand that now IBM recommended solution is to use "IBM BlueWorks Live" for socialized modeling and use IBM Business Process Manager for process execution, correct me if I am wrong.

    Though IBM Websphere Business Modeler is the most complete tool for modeling and process documentation, its downside is it can't collaborate with large group and also licencing costs. Since "IBM BlueWorks Live" is available on cloud and helpful for socialised modeling it weighs more than IBM Business Modeller.

    But I am just wondering what is exactly that IBM Business Process Manager does for process execution as IBM Business Modeller is also used for simulation of the what-if and to-be models and export the models to Websphere Integration Developer.
  • SystemAdmin
    SystemAdmin
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    Re: BPM vs Lombardi BPM

    ‏2011-10-20T16:10:00Z  
    Thank you very much for the reply Martin! You blog was very helpful in understnding the differences.

    So I understand that now IBM recommended solution is to use "IBM BlueWorks Live" for socialized modeling and use IBM Business Process Manager for process execution, correct me if I am wrong.

    Though IBM Websphere Business Modeler is the most complete tool for modeling and process documentation, its downside is it can't collaborate with large group and also licencing costs. Since "IBM BlueWorks Live" is available on cloud and helpful for socialised modeling it weighs more than IBM Business Modeller.

    But I am just wondering what is exactly that IBM Business Process Manager does for process execution as IBM Business Modeller is also used for simulation of the what-if and to-be models and export the models to Websphere Integration Developer.
    IBM Business Process Manager is a mix between Websphere Dynamic Process Server and what it used to be Lombardi.

    IBM Business Process Manager Express and Standard is the evolution of Lombardi. It is single package that allows you to model the process (another way is to import it from Blueworks), develop the application based in the process, and has the orchestration server to run the application and monitor it. So it is like the complete suite in a single product.

    About process simulation. I had used IBM Websphere Business Modeler for simulation and just tried some demos of IBM Business Modeler (IBM BPM - Lombardi) . Maybe the comparison will not be fair, but I found it way better the WBM simulation than IBM Business Modeler. WBM simulates in a more statistical way, resources usability, it shows you numbers. IBM Business Modeler simulation is more graphic, it is nice, but maybe cause I know more about WBM I didn't like it. I will make some tests, maybe some day I will post an article about comparing the simulation.

    On WBM you can create what if scenarios and export it to Websphere Integration developer (WID) or to IBM Business Process Manager. On that platforms you will create the application.

    Websphere Dynamic Process Edition used to work in this way. Business analyst created the process in WBM, the developers created the application and integration with WID and the app was posted to run on Websphere Process Sever and monitored by Websphere BUsiness Monitor for dashboads. But this has changed with IBM BPM.

    Websphere Integration Developer it is now called IBM Integration Designer. I do not have experience with that.
    IBM Business Process Manager Advanced is Lombardi with Process Server together, and it uses IBM Integration Designer. I don't know if IBM Integration Developer makes sense to be used with IBM BPM express and standard, maybe someone else can answer that. I got the feeling that IBM Integration Designer only works with Websphere Process Server (now IBM BPM Advanced) but I may be wrong.

    If you only want to make process simulation I don't think you can only acquire the little part of IBM BPM, since it comes like a complete package. You should go with WBM.

    ..sorry if my explanation is too complex. It will better to start asking you want do you want to do.
    Martín