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JeffPeek399
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Pinned topic DataPower XI52

‏2011-04-21T18:59:35Z |
Hello -

I see that IBM has announced the XI52 - it looks to be functionally equivalent to the XI50 but instead of a 1U appliance, it looks like a 2U. The announcement says that the XI52 "can be" faster, does anyone know what the performance difference is between the XI50 and XI52? We are looking the space/power tradeoff between these and it would be good to get a ballpark idea of the difference.

Also, does anyone know if they are priced the same? Will IBM continue to support the XI50 for new functionality or will new features be added only to the XI52?

Any help appreciated,

Jeff Peek
Updated on 2012-06-28T01:52:21Z at 2012-06-28T01:52:21Z by irazabal
  • sravani-DP
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    Re: DataPower XI52

    ‏2011-04-21T19:11:23Z  in response to JeffPeek399
    Hi Peek

    What is that 1U and 2U.? so when DP XI52 will be in the market and is there any presentation going on regarding this XI52.
    • shiufun
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      Re: DataPower XI52

      ‏2011-04-26T10:06:15Z  in response to sravani-DP
      Please see the RFA for more information http://www-01.ibm.com/cgi-bin/common/ssi/ssialias?infotype=an&subtype=ca&htmlfid=897/ENUS111-069&appname=isource&language=enus. And the announcement is also done during the IMPACT2011.
  • SystemAdmin
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    Re: DataPower XI52

    ‏2011-04-22T14:42:09Z  in response to JeffPeek399
    Jeff,
    I have found this interesting IBM doc which answer most of your question. Yes it is 2U rack.

    http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_ca/9/897/ENUS111-069/ENUS111-069.PDF.

    Sravani,
    1U(1.75 inches)high is the size of allotted at the time of racking and 2U will twice of that size. In other XI52 will be bigger in size I suppose.

    Hope this helps,

    Kumar
    • sravani-DP
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      Re: DataPower XI52

      ‏2011-04-22T14:50:44Z  in response to SystemAdmin
      Hi Kumar,

      Thanks , that really helps. the doc which you sent me was really helps.
      • JeffPeek399
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        Re: DataPower XI52

        ‏2011-04-22T15:20:17Z  in response to sravani-DP
        Hi All -

        It looks like the XI52 is a 2U server, but the document doesn't really how if the new appliance is faster, and if so, what sort of performance increase we can see. What about the power draw/heat and other characteristics? Also, is it functionally equivalent to the XI50 and just a hardware upgrade or does the XI52 contain different functionality?

        Also, what is the price?

        Thanks,

        Jeff
        • srikanth11
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          Re: DataPower XI52

          ‏2011-04-25T17:53:47Z  in response to JeffPeek399
          Jeff,

          I can help you to differentiate between XI50 and XI52 and can also help you with the pricing. Please send me your contact information at smaram@miraclesoft.com. I will call you and we can discuss on the same.

          Thanks-

          Srikanth Maram
          Miracle Software Systems, Inc
          An IBM Business Partner.
  • SystemAdmin
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    Re: DataPower XI52

    ‏2011-04-22T16:13:37Z  in response to JeffPeek399
    Jeff,
    The XI52/XI50 characteristics are similar. And they are faster then XI50 I suppose didn't have much documentation to back that it up. The price wise since XI50 almost 75000$.

    I think in the forum an IBM DataPower sales representative will be the right person to say about the price.
  • BillHines
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    Re: DataPower XI52

    ‏2011-04-26T16:26:32Z  in response to JeffPeek399
    The newer models have the potential for greater throughput based on a number of factors (10gigE, processors, accelerator card, internals, etc). But it would be irresponsible to qualify anything as "faster" because it's a relative term and of course performance is subject to many variables outside the box (the latencies, network speed, application behavior, network reliability, etc in your environment). For example, if the XI50 is already running fine in an environment where the network is saturated due to latencies from the back-end applications, ldap server, etc - how can the XI52 be faster? It can't. It has the potential to be, if the other bottlenecks are resolved though!

    The 9004 models will continue to be sold, upgraded, and most importantly any new ones sold now get 5 years of standard support. The best answer is to engage your IBM client team or business partner for specifics and have the conversation relative to your environment and requirements. This is more of a developer-oriented forum so it's not the best conversation to have here, given the answers are related to that specific information about your company, which you might not want to disclose in a public forum.
  • BillHines
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    Re: DataPower XI52

    ‏2011-04-26T19:37:49Z  in response to JeffPeek399
    The newer models have the potential for greater throughput based on a number of factors (10gigE, processors, accelerator card, internals, etc). But it would be irresponsible to qualify anything as "faster" because it's a relative term and of course performance is subject to many variables outside the box (the latencies, network speed, application behavior, network reliability, etc in your environment). For example, if the XI50 is already running fine in an environment where the network is saturated due to latencies from the back-end applications, ldap server, etc - how can the XI52 be faster? It can't. It has the potential to be, if the other bottlenecks are resolved though!

    The 9004 models will continue to be sold, upgraded, and supported. The best answer is to engage your IBM client team or business partner for specifics and have the conversation relative to your environment and requirements. This is more of a developer-oriented forum so it's not the best conversation to have here, given the answers are related to that specific information about your company, which you might not want to disclose in a public forum
    • rootkit_dl
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      Re: DataPower XI52

      ‏2012-06-26T10:44:49Z  in response to BillHines
      Hello professionals!
      Please write whether the DataPower XI52 mail protocol SMTP?
      Thank you!
    • rootkit_dl
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      Re: DataPower XI52

      ‏2012-06-26T10:47:55Z  in response to BillHines
      Hello professionals!
      Please write whether the DataPower XI52 mail protocol SMTP?
      Thank you!
      • kenhygh
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        Re: DataPower XI52

        ‏2012-06-26T12:39:55Z  in response to rootkit_dl
        What do you want to do with SMTP?
        Ken
        • rootkit_dl
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          Re: DataPower XI52

          ‏2012-06-27T04:33:25Z  in response to kenhygh
          Need to mail to an external network segment (DMZ) was held in the inner segment of the network (LAN) via a gateway rule XI52. It is possible?
          Thank you!
          • kenhygh
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            Re: DataPower XI52

            ‏2012-06-27T09:28:12Z  in response to rootkit_dl
            The XI52 does not support the SMTP protocol for data flows. It can generate SMTP messages for log targets and other event notifications, but not for normal traffic.

            Ken
          • HermannSW
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            Re: DataPower XI52

            ‏2012-06-27T09:54:29Z  in response to rootkit_dl
            There are lots of ways to deal with emails on DataPower, please search Infocenter for "SMTP":
            http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/wsdatap/v4r0m2

            You can even send emails with (binary) attachments which is not supported out-of-the box:
            https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/blogs/HermannSW/entry/smtp2

             
            In general there should not be a difference wrt features like email you are interested in for DataPower firmwares below 5.0 for XI50/XI52.

             
            I just retweeted the 5.0 availability announcement from yesterday and related 5.0 postings:
            https://twitter.com/#!/HermannSW

             
            Differences between XI50 and XI52 are
            • horse power
            • 10Gbit interfaces in XI52
            • with 5.0 firmware extended memory support
            • ...

            See this "nice" new "Total Memory" output on a XI52 ...


             
            Hermann<myXsltBlog/> <myXsltTweets/>
          • irazabal
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            Re: DataPower XI52

            ‏2012-06-28T01:52:21Z  in response to rootkit_dl
            Yes - it is possible to do in a processing policy via the DP extension function dp:url-open as shown below:
            Uses an SMTP <dp:url-open> extension element to send an e-mail message with
            Re: Your Previous Request as the subject text from johndoe@ibm.com to richroe
            through the m81bw03.ibm.com exchange server. The HELO command uses
            datapower.ibm.com as the identifier for the SMTP client.
            <dp:url-open target="smtp://richroe%40m81bw03.ibm.com
            /?Sender=johndoe%40ibm.com&amp;Subject=Re%3A%20Your%20Previous%20Request
            &amp;Domain=datapower.ibm.com" response="ignore">
            <xsl:copy-of select="$predefined-variable"/>
            </dp:url-open>