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Pinned topic Feature Focus Week: Installing on z/OS with IBM Installation Manager

‏2010-07-13T02:23:47Z |
Welcome to the first Feature Focus Week for the WebSphere Application Server V8.0 beta program!

This beta release adds support for WebSphere Application Server V8 on the z/OS platform. WebSphere Application Server V8.0 features a common installer, the IBM Installation Manager. The first feature focus week for the Version 8.0 alpha program took a look at the use of IBM Installation Manager on Windows and distributed platforms; the corresponding week in the beta program will cover the use of IBM Installation Manager to install WebSphere Application Server on z/OS.

Installing WebSphere Application Server V8 on z/OS

IBM Installation Manager is a single tool which can install WebSphere Application Server at any level, and can also perform product maintenance. It uses a repository of software parts to install and service products; this repository can reside on an IBM server, or on a computer system inside your company's data center.

The Getting Started guide for the WebSphere Application Server V8.0 beta delivery provides the necessary steps to:

1. Install the IBM Installation Manager on z/OS
2. Access a "live" repository for WebSphere Application Server, or download the repository to your own system
3. Install WebSphere Application Server V8 on z/OS

NOTE: the InfoCenter article, Installing the product and additional software on z/OS describes the process of installing the IBM Installation Manager and WebSphere Application Server repository using SMP/E. The Getting Started guide documents this path in greater detail, and also describes how to install IBM Installation Manager and the WebSphere Application Server product without using SMP/E at all. (This will be explained further in the installation demos.)

Over the course of this week, we will be providing recorded demos that walk you through the process of installation on z/OS, and discuss various aspects of this process. (This is particularly important because the z/OS port of IBM Installation Manager is primarily command-line-based, and does not use a graphical interface.) Watch this thread for announcements.

Configuration of WebSphere Application Server V8.0 for z/OS uses the WebSphere Customization Tools; this process is essentially unchanged since Version 7. Note, however, that the WebSphere Customization Tools (on Windows or distributed platforms) for Version 8.0 are installed using IBM Installation Manager; this process is documented in the Getting Started guide and the InfoCenter.

Looking ahead: Topics for this week

We also recognize that the following topics are of special interest to our z/OS customers:

a. How the use of IBM Installation Manager will affect the process of rolling out new levels of WebSphere Application Server across the systems in a data center
b. How customers can track the installed copies of WebSphere Application Server code
c. How maintenance can be applied to a "remote" copy of WebSphere Application Server

We will be presenting some "best practices" for discussion, based on internal IBM usage of WebSphere Application Server V8.0 on z/OS.

As the Feature Focus Week for z/OS Install draws to a close, we will be holding a Reflections session on Wednesday, July 21, at which time registered participants will be able to call in for an open discussion about the use of IBM Installtion Manager on z/OS. Watch this thread for details.

We sincerely hope that our z/OS customers take some time to try out the new install process of WebSphere Application Server V8.0 on z/OS, and provide us with their comments, questions, and suggestions for improvement.

Jeff Mierzejewski
WebSphere Applicatiom Server for z/OS Install and Customization
Updated on 2010-09-22T14:03:04Z at 2010-09-22T14:03:04Z by jmierze
  • jmierze
    jmierze
    43 Posts

    Re: Feature Focus Week: Installing on z/OS with IBM Installation Manager

    ‏2010-07-15T22:50:26Z  
    Here is the first video demo - an install of WebSphere Application Server V8.0 beta on z/OS, using a downloaded copy of the InstallationManager install kit, and a "live" (Web-hosted) repository for WebSphere Application Server.

    The entire install took under 40 minutes - including 25 minutes of unattended install time - and demonstrates the potential simplicity of an Installation Manager Install.

    Jeff Mierzejewski
    WebSphere Application Server for z/OS Install and Configuration
  • jmierze
    jmierze
    43 Posts

    Re: Feature Focus Week: Installing on z/OS with IBM Installation Manager

    ‏2010-07-16T01:32:21Z  
    • jmierze
    • ‏2010-07-15T22:50:26Z
    Here is the first video demo - an install of WebSphere Application Server V8.0 beta on z/OS, using a downloaded copy of the InstallationManager install kit, and a "live" (Web-hosted) repository for WebSphere Application Server.

    The entire install took under 40 minutes - including 25 minutes of unattended install time - and demonstrates the potential simplicity of an Installation Manager Install.

    Jeff Mierzejewski
    WebSphere Application Server for z/OS Install and Configuration
    Here are the first two demo videos:

    Installing IM and WAS V8.0 for z/OS using a live repository - Part 1 - Part 2

    Installing WAS V8.0 for z/OS using a local (downloaded) repository

    Tomorrow: using the "SMP/E-wrapped" IM install kit and WAS repository.

    Jeff Mierzejewski
    WebSphere Application Server for z/OS Install and Configuration
  • SystemAdmin
    SystemAdmin
    462 Posts

    Re: Feature Focus Week: Installing on z/OS with IBM Installation Manager

    ‏2010-07-16T11:44:52Z  
    • jmierze
    • ‏2010-07-16T01:32:21Z
    Here are the first two demo videos:

    Installing IM and WAS V8.0 for z/OS using a live repository - Part 1 - Part 2

    Installing WAS V8.0 for z/OS using a local (downloaded) repository

    Tomorrow: using the "SMP/E-wrapped" IM install kit and WAS repository.

    Jeff Mierzejewski
    WebSphere Application Server for z/OS Install and Configuration
    Hi,

    you said "Tomorrow: using the "SMP/E-wrapped" I'm install kit and WAS repository." I'm very interested about this topic.
    Thanks,

    Yves LAREF
    PSA Peugeot Citroen
    Infrastructure WebSphere Z/OS and Distributed Environments
  • jmierze
    jmierze
    43 Posts

    Re: Feature Focus Week: Installing on z/OS with IBM Installation Manager

    ‏2010-07-16T16:02:06Z  
    Hi,

    you said "Tomorrow: using the "SMP/E-wrapped" I'm install kit and WAS repository." I'm very interested about this topic.
    Thanks,

    Yves LAREF
    PSA Peugeot Citroen
    Infrastructure WebSphere Z/OS and Distributed Environments
    Here are the next two demo videos:

    Demo 3: Installing the SMP/E-formatted version of the IM install kit

    Demo 4: Creating an Installation Manager instance under z/OS

    The primary differences here from the "simplest possible" install in demo 1:

    1. The install kit (and the repository, next demo) are delivered in SMP/E format.

    2. The SMP/E deliverables include sample batch jobs for IM operations.

    3. The Installation Manager is run under a non-superuser ID.

    Try it out and let us know what you think! The deliverables are available on the beta download page.

    Jeff Mierzejewski
    WebSphere Application Server for z/OS Install and Configuration
  • SystemAdmin
    SystemAdmin
    462 Posts

    Re: Feature Focus Week: Installing on z/OS with IBM Installation Manager

    ‏2010-07-28T15:12:20Z  
    hello

    I agree to the links with SMP / E, but what is the advantage of IIM compared to SMP / E. This is already a repository, it can also manage the PTFs product and system. From SMP / E, we can already distribute all PTF to the LPARs.

    It seems that the formalism of IIM complicates the installation because it adds an additional layer in the process of installing z / OS.

    Thanks
    Yves LAREF
    WebSphere Application Server Architect
  • jmierze
    jmierze
    43 Posts

    Re: Feature Focus Week: Installing on z/OS with IBM Installation Manager

    ‏2010-08-04T18:20:28Z  
    hello

    I agree to the links with SMP / E, but what is the advantage of IIM compared to SMP / E. This is already a repository, it can also manage the PTFs product and system. From SMP / E, we can already distribute all PTF to the LPARs.

    It seems that the formalism of IIM complicates the installation because it adds an additional layer in the process of installing z / OS.

    Thanks
    Yves LAREF
    WebSphere Application Server Architect
    Yves,

    SMP/E has a repository - but not one that can be used to reinstall WAS from scratch, or to back out to anything other than the previous accepted level.

    The additional work needed to install WAS with IM becomes smaller once IM is installed and set up - certainly easier than setting up SMP/E the first time! And the install tooling for WebSphere Application Server will be the same across platforms, since all will use Installation Manager.

    We also expect to see significant simplications around feature packs and stack products, and a FASTER install compared to SMP/E, particularly later in the service cycle when a lot of maintenance has build up.

    Jeff Miezejewski
    WebSphere Application Server for z/OS Installation and Configuration
  • SystemAdmin
    SystemAdmin
    462 Posts

    Re: Feature Focus Week: Installing on z/OS with IBM Installation Manager

    ‏2010-08-05T08:48:47Z  
    • jmierze
    • ‏2010-08-04T18:20:28Z
    Yves,

    SMP/E has a repository - but not one that can be used to reinstall WAS from scratch, or to back out to anything other than the previous accepted level.

    The additional work needed to install WAS with IM becomes smaller once IM is installed and set up - certainly easier than setting up SMP/E the first time! And the install tooling for WebSphere Application Server will be the same across platforms, since all will use Installation Manager.

    We also expect to see significant simplications around feature packs and stack products, and a FASTER install compared to SMP/E, particularly later in the service cycle when a lot of maintenance has build up.

    Jeff Miezejewski
    WebSphere Application Server for z/OS Installation and Configuration
    Jeff,

    thanks for your response.
    I have last questions about "zIIM" :
    • We have already automated zPMT installation to provide responseFile and generate customized jobs, we hope there will be no change with WAS 8
    • Actually, we have a reference server which has one SMP/E and we distribute from this server all WebSphere binaries for all LPARs. With zIIM, what will be the mechanism to distribute all WebSphere binaries for LPAR. Is it necessary to install zIIM in all LPARs ?
    Each LPAR can use ftp connection to download automatically one WebSphere product from the IIM repository server, as is the case in distributed environment ?

    Thanks
    Yves LAREF
    WebSphere Application Server Architect
  • SystemAdmin
    SystemAdmin
    462 Posts

    Re: Feature Focus Week: Installing on z/OS with IBM Installation Manager

    ‏2010-08-09T15:07:57Z  
    Jeff,

    thanks for your response.
    I have last questions about "zIIM" :
    • We have already automated zPMT installation to provide responseFile and generate customized jobs, we hope there will be no change with WAS 8
    • Actually, we have a reference server which has one SMP/E and we distribute from this server all WebSphere binaries for all LPARs. With zIIM, what will be the mechanism to distribute all WebSphere binaries for LPAR. Is it necessary to install zIIM in all LPARs ?
    Each LPAR can use ftp connection to download automatically one WebSphere product from the IIM repository server, as is the case in distributed environment ?

    Thanks
    Yves LAREF
    WebSphere Application Server Architect
    Hi,

    in addition, what about other IBM products : db2, CICS, IMS...?
    There will be a problem updating TFP if another product is not managed by IIM.

    Thks
    Yves LAREF
    WebSphere Application Server Architect
  • jmierze
    jmierze
    43 Posts

    Re: Feature Focus Week: Installing on z/OS with IBM Installation Manager

    ‏2010-08-19T03:00:15Z  
    Jeff,

    thanks for your response.
    I have last questions about "zIIM" :
    • We have already automated zPMT installation to provide responseFile and generate customized jobs, we hope there will be no change with WAS 8
    • Actually, we have a reference server which has one SMP/E and we distribute from this server all WebSphere binaries for all LPARs. With zIIM, what will be the mechanism to distribute all WebSphere binaries for LPAR. Is it necessary to install zIIM in all LPARs ?
    Each LPAR can use ftp connection to download automatically one WebSphere product from the IIM repository server, as is the case in distributed environment ?

    Thanks
    Yves LAREF
    WebSphere Application Server Architect
    Yves,

    1. The profile creation process (using WCT or zpmt.sh) will be essentially unchanged from WAS V7. Response files details may change, or course, but the basic process is te same on z/OS as it was in V7.

    2. You only need to set up zIIM on those z/OS systems on which you will install or update the WebSphere Application Server code, or code for other IIM-format products. You can move copies of the WAS V8 code from one z/OS system to another just as you do know. And, in the same way you can include SMP/E zone CSIs with WAS V7 code, ship them to another system, and apply updates on that system, you can include IIM binaries and package group data with the WAS code, move them to another system, and use them together to update the WAS code on that system. Watch this thread for demo announcements.

    3. Since the principal value of IIM for z/OS applies to products which can run across several platforms (not just z/OS), it would make sense to provide those sorts of multi-platform products in IIM format. So far, WebSphere Application Server is the first product line which has expanded IIM deliveries to include z/OS (as part of this beta).

    I hope this answers your questions.

    Jeff Mierzejewski
    WebSphere Application Server for z/OS Install and Configuration
  • SystemAdmin
    SystemAdmin
    462 Posts

    Re: Feature Focus Week: Installing on z/OS with IBM Installation Manager

    ‏2010-09-01T14:20:23Z  
    • jmierze
    • ‏2010-08-19T03:00:15Z
    Yves,

    1. The profile creation process (using WCT or zpmt.sh) will be essentially unchanged from WAS V7. Response files details may change, or course, but the basic process is te same on z/OS as it was in V7.

    2. You only need to set up zIIM on those z/OS systems on which you will install or update the WebSphere Application Server code, or code for other IIM-format products. You can move copies of the WAS V8 code from one z/OS system to another just as you do know. And, in the same way you can include SMP/E zone CSIs with WAS V7 code, ship them to another system, and apply updates on that system, you can include IIM binaries and package group data with the WAS code, move them to another system, and use them together to update the WAS code on that system. Watch this thread for demo announcements.

    3. Since the principal value of IIM for z/OS applies to products which can run across several platforms (not just z/OS), it would make sense to provide those sorts of multi-platform products in IIM format. So far, WebSphere Application Server is the first product line which has expanded IIM deliveries to include z/OS (as part of this beta).

    I hope this answers your questions.

    Jeff Mierzejewski
    WebSphere Application Server for z/OS Install and Configuration
    Jeff,

    it's ok for me. Thanks for your answers.

    Yves LAREF
    WebSphere Application Server Architect
  • SystemAdmin
    SystemAdmin
    462 Posts

    Re: Feature Focus Week: Installing on z/OS with IBM Installation Manager

    ‏2010-09-10T08:08:31Z  
    Jeff,

    it's ok for me. Thanks for your answers.

    Yves LAREF
    WebSphere Application Server Architect
    Hi,

    i have another question for Installing on z/OS with IIM. With PMT for z/OS it's possible to
    • create one customized definition, for example ND Cell with one application server profile, from GUI interface
    • create the dataset CNTL and DATA
    • generate all jcl jobs from the GUI interface

    An IIM evolution would be the same thing : it would be possible to work with the gui interface, for example in Windows operating system, to define an installation responsefile, create the file system /usr/lpp/zWebSphere/V8R0 and generate the product installation in one z/OS system.

    Thanks
    Yves LAREF
    WebSphere Application Architect
  • SystemAdmin
    SystemAdmin
    462 Posts

    Re: Feature Focus Week: Installing on z/OS with IBM Installation Manager

    ‏2010-09-10T09:29:29Z  
    Hi,

    i have another question for Installing on z/OS with IIM. With PMT for z/OS it's possible to
    • create one customized definition, for example ND Cell with one application server profile, from GUI interface
    • create the dataset CNTL and DATA
    • generate all jcl jobs from the GUI interface

    An IIM evolution would be the same thing : it would be possible to work with the gui interface, for example in Windows operating system, to define an installation responsefile, create the file system /usr/lpp/zWebSphere/V8R0 and generate the product installation in one z/OS system.

    Thanks
    Yves LAREF
    WebSphere Application Architect
    Hi,

    in addition, i have tested the IIM record mode from GUI (Windows OS) to generate the WebSphere for Z/OS responseFile, but it doesn't work. Why ? To generate a responseFile, IIM must install a product in the operating system which is installed ?

    Thanks
    Yves LAREF
    WegbSphere Application Server Architect
  • jmierze
    jmierze
    43 Posts

    Re: Feature Focus Week: Installing on z/OS with IBM Installation Manager

    ‏2010-09-10T11:34:35Z  
    Hi,

    in addition, i have tested the IIM record mode from GUI (Windows OS) to generate the WebSphere for Z/OS responseFile, but it doesn't work. Why ? To generate a responseFile, IIM must install a product in the operating system which is installed ?

    Thanks
    Yves LAREF
    WegbSphere Application Server Architect
    Yves,

    What sort of error do you receive when you try to run Installation Manager on z/OS with a response file from another system?

    And could you please post your response file, or mail it to jmierzeatusdotibmdotcom?

    Thanks!

    Jeff Mierzejewski
    WebSphere Application Server for z/OS Installation and Configuration
  • SystemAdmin
    SystemAdmin
    462 Posts

    Re: Feature Focus Week: Installing on z/OS with IBM Installation Manager

    ‏2010-09-13T14:44:49Z  
    • jmierze
    • ‏2010-09-10T11:34:35Z
    Yves,

    What sort of error do you receive when you try to run Installation Manager on z/OS with a response file from another system?

    And could you please post your response file, or mail it to jmierzeatusdotibmdotcom?

    Thanks!

    Jeff Mierzejewski
    WebSphere Application Server for z/OS Installation and Configuration
    Hi,

    ok, i will send you an email.

    Thanks

    Yves LAREF
    WebSphere Application Server Architect
  • jmierze
    jmierze
    43 Posts

    Re: Feature Focus Week: Installing on z/OS with IBM Installation Manager

    ‏2010-09-14T01:23:03Z  
    Hi,

    ok, i will send you an email.

    Thanks

    Yves LAREF
    WebSphere Application Server Architect
    Yves,

    You should be able to create a response file to install WAS for Windows, then take the resulting response file, change the offering to

    com.ibm.websphere.OS390.v80

    and the set install location to whatever you need it to be on z/OS.

    Jeff Mierzejewski
    WebSphere Application Server for z/OS install and configuration
  • dysonbags
    dysonbags
    24 Posts

    Re: Feature Focus Week: Installing on z/OS with IBM Installation Manager

    ‏2010-09-15T14:41:02Z  
    • jmierze
    • ‏2010-07-16T01:32:21Z
    Here are the first two demo videos:

    Installing IM and WAS V8.0 for z/OS using a live repository - Part 1 - Part 2

    Installing WAS V8.0 for z/OS using a local (downloaded) repository

    Tomorrow: using the "SMP/E-wrapped" IM install kit and WAS repository.

    Jeff Mierzejewski
    WebSphere Application Server for z/OS Install and Configuration
    Hi Jim,

    Are these demo videos available anywhere else? I'm sure I don't work for the only company that blocks access to youtube.

    Cheers
    Graham
  • jmierze
    jmierze
    43 Posts

    Re: Feature Focus Week: Installing on z/OS with IBM Installation Manager

    ‏2010-09-22T14:03:04Z  
    • dysonbags
    • ‏2010-09-15T14:41:02Z
    Hi Jim,

    Are these demo videos available anywhere else? I'm sure I don't work for the only company that blocks access to youtube.

    Cheers
    Graham
    Graham,

    More demos are in preparation, and we are working to find another location to host the entire set.

    Jeff Mierzejewski
    WebSphere Application Server for z/OS installation and configuration