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I use the F5 screen locking very frequently - many times daily. When using the laptop in a meeting room, and I need to leave for just a few minutes, I always lock the screen. Not that my mail is terribly secret, (most is actually Company Confidential), but it gives peace of mind that nobody can inadvertently delete or change anything. I do the same when working at home, where younger family members might otherwise hit a key they shouldn't. Please keep the F5 screen lock in Hannover. Cheers, ~Flemming.

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We don’t use it anymore. Our company policy requires us to do a Windows OS Computer Lock. F5 only protects the Notes Client.

3 localhost commented Permalink

So how about if we hooked F5 into CTRL+ALT+DELETE and locked the whole windows system? (yeah, I know, not available on Linux, but let's take one thing at a time)

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I would say NOT to remove it because I use it all the time, HOWEVER, if the cost is a week or more of time to implement, debug/test the permutations then I'd say drop it for more important improvements.

 
Also thanks Charles for pointing out what has to be constantly pointed because people have some kind of black hole around this. F5 is NOT refresh in MOST MS applications.
 
REPEAT AFTER ME.
 
F5 IS NOT THE STANDARD REFRESH IN MS APPLICATIONS.
 
REPEAT AFTER ME.
 
Charles in Outlook it actually does completely different things depending on where you are and which version of Outlook your using. From nothing to search within the same version - go figure. At least in 2003 they fixed it to the correct standard that Notes uses - F9.
 
In Access it flips you into design mode on a form but not back out. How's that for consistency. Refresh is available in a menu in some contexts but F5 doesn't work there either. And to refresh your form lookups again you use the correct "standard" that Notes uses - F9.
 
Notes is a model of consistency, Microsoft applications are a jumbled mess of INconsistency.

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I use F5 all the time; others at my company do as well. BTW, Control-alt-delete also doesn't work on Mac and the Dock doesn't work like the Windows Taskbar, so I guess there'd be no reason to remove F5 from there. ;-)

 
Locking an app shouldn't lock the OS; that makes no sense to me, and I bet it would confuse many users.
 
As much as Notes isn't known for multi-threading, I'm surprised that F5 locking all windows would be so much work that you have to threaten to drop new mail/C&S features. Aren't those worked on by different teams anyway?! It's difficult to buy that it could be an either-or proposition.
 
Anyway, to end users, dropping a feature is dropping a feature. To borrow your Samantha analogy: Samantha may have sensitive stuff on her screen; she may need to lock Notes when someone walks up, or if she steps away for a few minutes. Removing this feature would make her life (and mine ;-) more difficult.
 
BTW, F5 works fine with Notes open-in-new-window currently, as well as the "separate [window]" Designer & Admin clients now. I presume Hannover will finally decouple some of these things (though I remain skeptical, sorry), which is why you say it's difficult. But won't they all still be, well, Notes? If you're really going to spawn a full copy of Notes for every window (I don't believe it!), then still, inter-program communication should do the trick (COM, OLE, API calls, whatever).

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I wish F5 was refresh like other MS (yes I know) apps.

 
Pete

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@Peter, I've been told that in the new Outlook client, the refresh is under F9. Maybe someone can confirm?

 
I use the F5 function every now and then, although I usually lock the entire workstation.

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YEEEEEEEEESSSS! We use it all the time!!!!

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In our company nobody is using F5 locking. You can disable this feature. I think the operating system lock makes mores sense in this case.

 
Ralf M Petter

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By locking the notes client someone could not access the Notes / Domino System but the whole OS Client is available to anybody. One could argue that for Notes Security this is enough, but in overall client security i doubt that very much. Unfortunately I use Notes on Windows only so I cannot write about any other OS.I use this feature once or twice a month, 'cause I was told the "logout" and "login" to the client reloads some of the changes made to connection or location documents and so I don't have to make a notes client "reboot".

 
The average user in my company doesn't even know the feature is there.

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difficult question... today, we are using F5 very often. Many of our customers do so, too.

 
But on the other hand: if you go away from your desktop, you should lock the entire desktop, not only one application.
 
And furthermore, more and more customers are implementing single signon solutions to get rid of the seperate Notes password dialog. So if a user does not "unlock" Notes himself by giving a seperate password, why should he lock it seperately?
 
So if F5 is removed, it would force users to lock the entire desktop if they go away, and that's good from my point of view.
 
Then F5 would be free and you could implement a preference to move the refresh action from F9 to F5 (currently it's very hard to explain to new users that Notes uses a different key for refresh than other software, and as I always say: everything we have to explain is bad.).
 
So my vote is: remove Notes locking by F5 so that users are forced to lock the entire desktop. Perhaps you could (optionally) map the "lock desktop" action of the OS to F5.
 

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We use the F5 lock quite regularly so would not want to see it disappear, however I do like the idea of linking it to Ctrl-Alt-Del giving you a double lock out.

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We don't use the F5 lock. It only locks the Notes Client so we use the Windows OS locking. Many users in our company even don't know anything about this F5 locking function. So from my point of view you stop supporting these function.

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I think F5 is quite useful. However please do not change F5 to refresh as some people have suggested. Existing users use F9 for refresh and there is no point in asking them to use f5 for refresh. As G.J. Wolfswinkel pointed out F9 is the refresh key in the new outlook.

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Mary,

 
YES, I use it very often. BUT, I'm not sure a lot of our users (1200+) use it a lot (I would say no).SO, to conclude : you could suppress the F5 key (since Windows does have it's own keyboard locking shortcut : WIN+L).HOWEVER, you should keep the autolock timer feature.
 
/Pierre

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