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ServeRAID-7k w/7.12.13 still experiencing Fujitsu HD defunct issues
Posted: May 30, 2008 01:51:52 PM
 
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Hello Everyone,

Any ideas on a fix for this. I've been experiencing Fujitsu hard drives going offline after a reboot and being labeled defunct even though there is nothing wrong with them. I swap the HDs around, and the same occurs to SCSI ID 0, 1, & 2 only. I'm running (in theory, note sarcasm) an IBM x346 8840, C1X with the ServeRAID-7k with the firmware 7.12.13 that is suppose to address this according to the readme file. I've also updated the BIOS 1.17 & BMC 1.2, but it made no difference. I've run long diagnostics on all HDs, RAID card, BIOS, and the entire server, and everything checks out. I've done this numerous times. I've factory defaulted the BIOS & ServeRAID, made zero difference. I think this is an outstanding bug still. Any ideas?

Thanks,
-Ben

Running 6 U320 Fujitsu HDs
3 x MAW3300NC, Firmware 5803. Drv Rev A1-11
3 x MAW3300NC, Firmware 5803. Drv Rev A1-21

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From Read Me File
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IBM ServeRAID Firmware 7.12.13
Supports IBM ServeRAID 4h/4Mx/4Lx/5i/6M/6i/7k Controllers

Change History
________________________

BIOS/FW 7.12.13

Problem(s) fixed: Fixed problem with some Fujitsu drives going prematurely defunct after reboots

Enhancement: N/A

Limitations: N/A

Dependencies: N/A
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benx346

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Re: ServeRAID-7k w/7.12.13 still experiencing Fujitsu HD defunct issues
Posted: May 30, 2008 02:08:42 PM   in response to: benx346 in response to: benx346's post
 
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Hello All,

I also wanted to add the error code reported by the ServeRAID-7k seems to be always:

ISPR=EF10 BCS=07 ECS=08

-Ben
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Re: ServeRAID-7k w/7.12.13 still experiencing Fujitsu HD defunct issues
Posted: May 30, 2008 02:34:05 PM   in response to: benx346 in response to: benx346's post
 
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Dear Ben,

could you provide "ServeRAID Configuration and Event Logs".

Regards,
Alexander Novikov
Russia, Moscow
benx346

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Re: ServeRAID-7k w/7.12.13 still experiencing Fujitsu HD defunct issues
Posted: May 30, 2008 10:39:39 PM   in response to: Novikov_Alexander in response to: Novikov_Alexander's post
 
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Hello Alexander,

The ServeRAID config is RAID 10 across 6 HDs. I've done factory defaults on it a handful of times (& do the "automatic RAID config and manual", but it makes no difference. So, I'm not sure what you mean by Event Logs, but Windows is not installed on the server & the RAID card doesn't have an Event Log I'm aware of. As per Windows Event Logs, I can't get the ServeRAID to be stable enough to warrant a Windows install. So, not sure what else you want. Also, I spoke with IBM Support (out of Atlanta, GA) and found out a # of things. The firmware fix is for IBM branded Fujitsu hard drives and one must run the HD firmware update, which is sadly not possible for non-IBM branded Fujitsu HDs. So, I think I'm out of luck. I'm looking into replacing the RAID card, since it has too many issues (e.g. doesn't like Fujitsu HDs, config change requires boot CD, etc). So, I'm looking into switching over to a true Adaptec card, such as the Adaptec SCSI RAID 2130SLP that has some Q&A invested in it. Now, I just need to find a SCSI cable that is long enough.....

Thank you for your prompt reply.

-Ben
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Re: ServeRAID-7k w/7.12.13 still experiencing Fujitsu HD defunct issues
Posted: May 31, 2008 01:11:07 AM   in response to: benx346 in response to: benx346's post
 
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Ben,

it is bad idea to use optional PCI SCSI RAID controller for internal HDDs. I guess that cooling scheme will be violated.

See info about single supported PCI RAID controller SR6M - "Supported for external attachment only and not for internal HDDs."

In your case HDDs must be replaced to any supported.

x346 (8840) Compatibility
www-03.ibm.com/servers/eserver/serverproven/compat/us/xseries_old/x346.html

Regards,
Alexander Novikov
Russia, Moscow
benx346

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Re: ServeRAID-7k w/7.12.13 still experiencing Fujitsu HD defunct issues
Posted: May 31, 2008 10:04:40 AM   in response to: Novikov_Alexander in response to: Novikov_Alexander's post
 
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Hello Alexander,

Thank you for the info and your prompt replies. Sadly, the SR6M has the potential to have the same issue as reported by SR 7.12.13 firmware notes. So, I'm not going to explore that. I'm probably going to get a RAID card that has a broader level of QA testing (as explained below) and willing to take the heat issues since the server will be in a datacenter with more than adequate cooling. So, I really have 3 choices in order of reality.

1) replace SR7k with a Adaptec 2130SLP RAID (PCI-X) & replace SCSI cable backplane to card - $550

2) replace IBM server with Dell server (fully decked out with warranty, etc) - $5,000

3) replace the 6 Fujitsu HDs (300GB, 10k, U320) with similar $1300 IBM HDs (still have no warranty) - $7,700

As you can see, 1 & 2 are the only real options. As a side note, I hate that one must boot a RAID CD to gain access to the full RAID configuration. Dell, HP, and Adaptec don't require this. I wonder why IBM does this especially since the SR is rebranded Adaptec(?).

-Ben

P.S. You don't need to respond, I'm just venting a bit.

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Re: ServeRAID-7k w/7.12.13 still experiencing Fujitsu HD defunct issues
Posted: May 31, 2008 10:09:00 AM   in response to: benx346 in response to: benx346's post
 
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Summary

The firmware of ServeRAID-7k (and it's siblings) 7.12.13 does not solve the issue for all Fujitsu HDs, only IBM branded ones. So, the answer is 1) replace the SR7k with an Adaptec RAID card or 2) replace the IBM server with a Dell Server ($5k) since replacing the 6 HDs with IBM branded ($7.7k) costs more than a brand new Dell server fully configured with a 3 year warranty. That is sad. Come on IBM, I expected more from you.

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Re: ServeRAID-7k w/7.12.13 still experiencing Fujitsu HD defunct issues
Posted: Jun 01, 2008 10:33:34 AM   in response to: benx346 in response to: benx346's post
 
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Ben,

Summary 2
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The firmware of ServeRAID-7k (and it's siblings) 7.12.13 does solve the issues for IBM HDDs, but of course not for OEM HDDs (for example OEM from Fujitsu). OEM HDDs not supported by IBM. List of supported IBM HDDs available on IBM ServerProven Web site.

1) replace the SR7k with an Adaptec RAID card or

This solution is not supported by IBM (it could give you a new problem).

2) replace the IBM server with a Dell Server

If you need so cheapest solution, there are many other cheaper servers.

Why you choose non-supported solutions? Do you like create a problems for yourself? Who is at fault? IBM?
That is sad. Come on Ben, IBM expected more from you.

Regards,
Alexander Novikov
Russia, Moscow

P.S. You don't need to respond, I'm just venting a bit.
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